Okay, the thing I think I'm reacting to is the "fannishness" issue. It's the drift from "they don't meet my expectations," which is a personal statement, to questioning the fannishness of something, which goes way beyond individual response, that is tripping my trigger here. And that questioning the fannishness of vids that do certain things and not others seems to be operating throughout this entire discussion.

But the argument went in *the opposite direction*. I questioned the fannishness in the post, here's luck challenged me on that, I retracted my previous statement. Rivka questioned the retraction and/or the terms of the argument, and I mentioned some things I thought it might be relevant to explore.