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Entry tags:race, vidding, vividcon, vvc 2009
Vid links here.

I missed some premieres in vidshows and Club Vivid and am not attempting to quantify how much time people of color get in multifandom or ensemble vids. Probably more Merlin vids should be on here--a lot of them were focused on the ensemble and included Gwen--but I don't remember them very well. If you think your vid belongs on this list, please let me know.

* = the vid stars a character of color. I'm including ship vids that include mixed-race romances with a white character and gen vids focused on up to three characters in which time is split roughly equally among characters (i.e., the Angel vid focuses on three characters, two of are white, although the ethnicity of the actors varies)

Also Premiering
* Stacia Yeapanis, This Place Is Trying to Change Us (Angel, Angel + Lindsey + Gunn)

The Bechdel Test
* Traykor, Sisters Don't Cry (R.O.D. TV)
[V. possible other premieres in this show also showcased POC, given the source, but I haven't seen them yet. Haven't seen this one yet, for that matter.]

Club Vivid
* Danegen, Start the Commotion (Leverage, Hardison)
* nc, Travellin' Man (Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Ford Prefect)
* here's luck, Story in a Nutshell (Wonderfalls, Aaron/Mahandra)
echan, Smart Con (Smart Bomb) (Hustle, mostly white ensemble, black lead)
* sdwolfpup, Say Hey (I Love You) (The Obamas)
charmax, Seven Nation Army (Multi. Tagline: Rainbow Coalition vs. the robots)
Laura Shapiro, Mothership (Dr. Who, details)
Laura Shapiro and Vagabondage, I Want Candy (Multi, details)
Jescaflowne, Can Only (Multi, cheerleaders from Bring It On)
kiki_miserychic, Once Upon A Time (The Fall)
Jetpack Monkey, More Than One Way to Skin a Pussycat (Josie and the Pusseycats)

Nearly New
* sweetestdrain, Lead Balloon (Dr. Who, Mickey)

Premieres
* jarrow, Learn to Crawl (BSG, Kat/Starbuck)
hollywoodgrrl, Marble House (Dr. Who, ensemble/gen with significant Martha)
* Kass, That Was Another Country (Lost, Hurley Reyes)
Jescaflowne, Go Baby (Cherry Lips) (Charlie's Angels movies, incl. Lucy Liu)
Clucking Belles, Bromance? Birdhouse in Your Soul (Multi, details)
Greensilver, American Tune (West Wing, predominantly white but features Charlie & Santos (? - I think that's the name? I didn't watch later seasons. Jimmy Smits' character, the president after Bartlett)

Challenge vids
* obsessive24, Red Cliff (Red Cliff/History of the Three Kingdoms)
* marycrawford, Swing (Star Trek TOS/lots of Uhura)


My favorites of the list above were Danegen's "Start the Commotion," Kassrachel's "That Was Another Country," hollywoodgrrl's "Marble House", and obsessive24's "Red Cliff," all of which are for fandoms I don't know (so you don't need to know them to appreciate the vids), and I also was charmed by here's luck's "Story in a Nutshell" and sdwolfpup's "Say Hey (I Love You)" and would like to try nc's "Travellin' Man" outside Club Vivid.

Antirecs for racial issues
Deejay, "Fight the Power" (Tropic Thunder) - This is for the movie about Robert Downey, Jr. as an actor who wears blackface. I will have more comments on this vid later, but, briefly, while I do not take the vidder as endorsing blackface, I do not take her as criticizing it, either.

Anon., "Right in Two" (Supernatural) - Anonymous challenge vid about Castiel's anguish about human violence, with at best clueless use of footage of real-world violence including the LA riots, the beating of Rodney King, and the Iraq war; combined with the footage from Supernatural's racially problematic Uriel storyline, this becomes yet another example of a story in which the pain of people of color is used to illustrate the anguish of a white man, and in which people of color appear only in terms of violence (mostly as the perpetrators and occasionally as the victims). Again, I'll probably have more to say about this vid later. I don't think the vidder intended to produce a racially problematic text or endorses racism; I think s/he did not think this was a vid about race. But I do not think authorial intent overrules audience interpretation and I don't think consciousness is necessary for people to make use of problematic cultural narratives.


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laurashapiro: a woman sits at a kitchen table reading a book, cup of tea in hand. Table has a sliced apple and teapot. A cat looks on. (kitchen)


[personal profile] laurashapiro
2009-08-18 08:10 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for this post! I have some stuff to say about race this year, too.

BTW, both of my Club Vivid premieres have POC in them: "Mothership" has lots of Martha and Mickey and Martha's mom, and "I Want Candy" has Hardison, Gunn, Ando, Mohinder, D.L., and Mickey -- possibly others, but I'm a bit brainfried right now.

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[personal profile] laurashapiro
2009-08-18 10:02 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for updating the post! "Mothership" is a Doctor Who vid, though -- not multi.

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[personal profile] thuviaptarth
2009-08-18 10:08 pm UTC (link)
Fixed! I'm not sure I was in the room for "Mothership."

I have more to say about race, but I need to get up the energy for it.

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[personal profile] laurashapiro
2009-08-18 10:16 pm UTC (link)
Yep, me too. I've spent all day reading con reports and getting my vids uploaded, and I'm still kinda wrecked from the weekend.

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[personal profile] oyceter
2009-08-19 12:38 am UTC (link)
OMG! obsessive24 + Red Cliff vid = EEEEEEEE!!!!!

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[personal profile] thuviaptarth
2009-08-19 12:43 am UTC (link)
I told Deepa I thought you and Rachel had both reviewed it. (Are you on IM?)

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[personal profile] deejay
2009-08-20 03:15 am UTC (link)
Uhh ..... What?

Personally, I see the movie ('Tropic Thunder') as irony.

The vid is crack only, no deep meaning intended whatsoever.

Sometimes a vid is just a vid.

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[personal profile] thuviaptarth
2009-08-20 03:50 am UTC (link)
Well, yes. The use of blackface clips as crack only without any consideration of the impact on some of the audience is what's problematic about the vid for me.

Jokes, like vids, movies, songs, commercials, and every other text in the world, say something about their cultural context whether the teller intends them to or not.

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[personal profile] deejay
2009-08-20 04:27 am UTC (link)
"Impact"? What...?!

Never mind, thanks for the first "antirec" I have ever seen anywhere. I am sincerely sorry that my vid in any way disgusted you.

*blinks confused and goes to bed*

(And I thank you for not further dragging me into some "meta", "race wank", whatever....)

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[personal profile] thuviaptarth
2009-08-20 07:40 am UTC (link)
Please don't call arguments about racism "wank"; it implies they're the equivalent of shipping wars, instead of a serious issue.

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[personal profile] deejay
2009-08-20 01:39 pm UTC (link)
There were no inferred "serious issues" in that vid. I know, I was there.

The term "race wank" is an oft used reference (so far as I've seen on my flists) to recent goings-on concerning actual fannish discussions regarding the topic of which I had absolutely no part in.

Of course, I am well aware that racism itself is a serious issue, but I have never been nor will I be a racist, nor will I allow one of my creative processes to be so labeled and/or stigmatized.

Curious: have you actually watched 'Tropic Thunder'?

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[personal profile] devilc
2009-08-21 11:01 pm UTC (link)
here by way of Ms Shapiro's post linking this one ...

I don't know if you didn't see it, or if it doesn't fit other elements of your criteria (because it has more CoC than whites if you head count) but one of the auction vids was for the Fast and Furious franchise and you can stream it here.

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[identity profile] charmax.livejournal.com
2009-08-18 05:04 pm UTC (link)
I have POC in my multi Club Vivid vid "Seven Nation Army." (http://charmax.livejournal.com/122262.html)

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[identity profile] thuviaptarth.livejournal.com
2009-08-18 07:32 pm UTC (link)
Added, thank you!

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[personal profile] hesychasm
2009-08-18 05:50 pm UTC (link)
Hmm, would be interested to see both the Tropic Thunder vid and your comments on it. I thought the movie was fully aware of how offensive blackface is -- the character is intended as a humorous send-up of actors who go too far with the Method (and I thought the humor vs. offense worked). But the vid could have failed at conveying that, and of course anyone's opinions on the movie and the character may differ.

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[identity profile] thuviaptarth.livejournal.com
2009-08-18 07:37 pm UTC (link)
The vid is mostly about finding Robert Downey Jr. sexy and urging people to see this movie because RDJ is in it. It described the plotline of the movie and included at least one reaction shot of a black soldier responding to RDJ in blackface and soldier drag. It didn't comment on whether the movie was effective or not, and I haven't seen it. But I find blackface viscerally disturbing, so the lack of commentary seemed like a significant silence.

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[identity profile] deejay.livejournal.com
2009-08-20 04:50 am UTC (link)
*insert WTF?! here*

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[identity profile] sherrold.livejournal.com
2009-08-18 05:57 pm UTC (link)
> am not attempting to quantify how much time POC get in multifandom or
> ensemble vids

I respect this (that way lies madness) -- but it might be worth mentioning the mm vid, Birdhouse in your Soul, from Premieres. There were 6 pairings of roughly similar size: John/Rodney and House/Wilson, but also Kelly Robinson/Alexander Scott (I Spy), Johnny/Bruce (Deadzone), and Shawn/Gus (Psych).

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[identity profile] thuviaptarth.livejournal.com
2009-08-18 07:33 pm UTC (link)
Thanks! I added the vid and a note requesting vidders let me know if they think their vids belong here.

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[identity profile] kassrachel.livejournal.com
2009-08-18 09:33 pm UTC (link)
I'm really glad that you enjoyed "That Was Another Country" -- that makes me very happy.

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[identity profile] thuviaptarth.livejournal.com
2009-08-18 10:00 pm UTC (link)
It is really effective at creating an emotional connection even though I don't know the source.

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[identity profile] destina.livejournal.com
2009-08-19 12:04 am UTC (link)
I'll be interested to hear what you have to say about Right In Two, because I'm going to rec it. Perhaps we took different things away from it.

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[identity profile] thuviaptarth.livejournal.com
2009-08-21 03:03 pm UTC (link)
Your comments and the vidder's comments were interesting. My writeup's here (http://thuviaptarth.livejournal.com/118236.html).

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[identity profile] harriet-spy.livejournal.com
2009-08-19 12:17 am UTC (link)
There are POC (from the original Bring It On) in Jescaflowne's "Can Delight" (Club Vivid)

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[identity profile] thuviaptarth.livejournal.com
2009-08-21 03:03 pm UTC (link)
Thanks, added.

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[identity profile] kiki-miserychic.livejournal.com
2009-08-20 05:35 am UTC (link)
My CVV vid, Once Upon A Time fits your list too.

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[identity profile] thuviaptarth.livejournal.com
2009-08-21 03:03 pm UTC (link)
Thanks, added.

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[identity profile] jetpack-monkey.livejournal.com
2009-08-20 03:23 pm UTC (link)
My Josie and the Pussycats vid premiered in the Bechdel Test vidshow and it features Rosario Dawson. Link (http://jetpack-monkey.livejournal.com/398790.html).

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[identity profile] thuviaptarth.livejournal.com
2009-08-21 03:03 pm UTC (link)
Thanks, added.

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